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(LifeSiteNews) — Father Charles Murr, author of the book Murder in the 33rd Degree: The Gagnon Investigation into Vatican Freemasonry, was kind enough to join me on today’s episode of The John-Henry Westen Show.

Father Murr lays out the compelling evidence of the Masonic infiltration in the Vatican that influenced the changes witnessed by the Church over the past century. He was a close friend of the late Cardinal Édouard Gagnon, who was tasked by Pope Paul VI with investigating corruption and other strange happenings in the Church.

In this episode, you will learn about Annibale Bugnini, who was a highly influential bishop in the Roman Curia. He was tasked with overseeing the Vatican II-inspired liturgical changes to the Mass and had an apparent connection to Italian Freemasonry.

Father Murr explains the significance as follows.

“It was Freemasonry that brought down the Papal States. It was Freemasonry that brought about the unification of Italy,” Father Murr says. “And it didn’t matter who they killed, what they did to get this done. Freemasonry played a great role in the French Revolution.”

“[Freemasonry is] not like belonging to the Lions Club or the Elks, right? [Bugnini] was in charge of Catholic liturgy,” he adds. “When there was a promise by the Freemasons — European Freemasons, above all, French and Italian — to destroy the Catholic Church, how do you destroy the Catholic Church? That’s kind of a big undertaking …”

Listen to today’s episode below or by clicking here.

The John-Henry Westen Show is available by video on the show’s YouTube channel and right here on my LifeSite blog.

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John-Henry is the co-founder and editor-in-chief of He and his wife Dianne and their eight children live in the Ottawa Valley in Ontario, Canada.

He has spoken at conferences and retreats, and appeared on radio and television throughout North America, Europe and Asia. John-Henry founded the Rome Life Forum an annual strategy meeting for pro-life leaders worldwide. He co-founded Voice of the Family and serves on the executive of the Canadian National March for Life Committee, and the annual National Pro-Life Youth Conference.

He is a consultant to Canada’s largest pro-life organization Campaign Life Coalition, and serves on the executive of the Ontario branch of the organization.  He has run three times for political office in the province of Ontario representing the Family Coalition Party.

John-Henry earned an MA from the University of Toronto in School and Child Clinical Psychology and an Honours BA from York University in Psychology.